1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,620 I want to give you a full name. 2 00:00:03,620 --> 00:00:06,420 My name is Robert Marshall Sadler. 3 00:00:06,420 --> 00:00:09,060 Go back to the time this started. 4 00:00:09,060 --> 00:00:13,460 How close can you fix the date and the location of the incident? 5 00:00:13,460 --> 00:00:18,460 The location of the incident was at Otis Air Force Base in Massachusetts. 6 00:00:18,460 --> 00:00:23,540 And I fixed the approximate date sometime in the summer of 1964. 7 00:00:23,540 --> 00:00:25,700 Can you be a little more precise on the date? 8 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:26,700 What part of the summer? 9 00:00:26,700 --> 00:00:30,700 I have a feeling that it was in the late summer, probably in late August or early September. 10 00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:32,700 It was kind of cold at the time. 11 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:34,700 Okay, and it's on a day. 12 00:00:34,700 --> 00:00:38,700 The time of day would have been late in the evening. 13 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:40,700 It was probably around 10 o'clock. 14 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:41,700 It was dark? 15 00:00:41,700 --> 00:00:43,700 It was dark, yes, very dark. 16 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:48,700 Now you say Otis Air Force Base was actually on base property? 17 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:51,700 Yes, it was on base property in a housing, residential area. 18 00:00:51,700 --> 00:00:59,700 Can you locate that relative to any major part of the base that you would be imaginable? 19 00:00:59,700 --> 00:01:05,700 In the entrance of the base, there was a gate and about a two-mile drive. 20 00:01:05,700 --> 00:01:11,700 And you approached the housing area first before you reached the actual base. 21 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,700 And it was a right-hand turn off this major road that led into the base. 22 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:19,700 At that time, we lived on what was known as Fairchild Avenue. 23 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:22,700 The name was changed, I'm not sure anymore. 24 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:28,700 When this happened, how close were you to the housing and to your housing, particularly? 25 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:30,700 In fact, this happened almost in my backyard. 26 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:34,700 It was probably around 60 feet from where I lived. 27 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:36,700 An open area? 28 00:01:36,700 --> 00:01:38,700 We had a sort of strange yard. 29 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:40,700 It had a flat section and a small rising hill. 30 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:43,700 And at the very top of the hill, it met the forest. 31 00:01:43,700 --> 00:01:49,700 This is a very foresty sort of area at the base, but surrounded by a park reserve, almost. 32 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:56,700 In fact, in one time, it had been an army base used for training before the war, before it had been converted to an air force base. 33 00:01:56,700 --> 00:01:59,700 So, yes, it was very close right at the entrance of the base. 34 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:06,700 Okay, now, do you want to start describing the experience from the point where you entered the forest? 35 00:02:06,700 --> 00:02:07,700 Okay. 36 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:11,700 And why and anything you think of? 37 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:14,700 Well, being a young kid, I think we were just out for a stroll. 38 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:16,700 I was with a friend. 39 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:18,700 His first name was David. 40 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:25,700 His last name I'm unable to recall for some reason, but he was approximately two, three years older than I was. 41 00:02:25,700 --> 00:02:30,700 I was, I being around 12, 13, somewhere between there at the time. 42 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:35,700 Dave being approximately 15, and we had gone out for a walk. 43 00:02:36,700 --> 00:02:45,700 And we're heading, we went out my front door around the side of my house, across my backyard, up this small rising hill to the edge of the forest, 44 00:02:45,700 --> 00:02:49,700 in which there were trails and paths that led into the forest from there. 45 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:58,700 And we're really walking across the top of the hill when we noticed a flashing light, a flash of white light. 46 00:02:58,700 --> 00:03:00,700 You were not yet in the woods? 47 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:04,700 No, we were not as yet in the woods on the very edge. 48 00:03:04,700 --> 00:03:08,700 And still within sight of my home, easily within sight of my home. 49 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:14,700 And thinking that it was someone with a flashlight, we dropped back. 50 00:03:14,700 --> 00:03:18,700 And that David went back down the hill into my yard. 51 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:22,700 And it was my idea that we should stay to see who it was. 52 00:03:22,700 --> 00:03:25,700 And I remained on top of the hill. 53 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:27,700 Why do you think he dropped back? 54 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:34,700 It was sort of, I don't know, being late at night, I guess it was that instant sort of scare that one feels at that age. 55 00:03:34,700 --> 00:03:40,700 And Dave thought that we should go back farther than we actually did, or than I actually did. 56 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:42,700 And he ran down the hill at the time. 57 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:46,700 In fact, it was a fairly steep hill, so he just sort of ran down the hill. 58 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:48,700 And I remained behind. 59 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:53,700 And no sooner had I said, let's wait to see who it was. 60 00:03:53,700 --> 00:04:01,700 And in turning around, there was a flash of light in which I blinked. 61 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:11,700 And in opening my eyes, I found myself in the presence of a glowing humanoid shape of being. 62 00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:13,700 Were you in the woods at this point? 63 00:04:13,700 --> 00:04:16,700 No, this was again at the very, very edge. 64 00:04:16,700 --> 00:04:22,700 In fact, still within sight of my home, right in almost in the backyard. 65 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:27,700 Okay, now, first you want to describe this glowing being. 66 00:04:27,700 --> 00:04:30,700 Okay, as well as I can. 67 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:37,700 At that time, I was rather tall for my age, so I set the being to approximately height at around six feet. 68 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:40,700 It seemed a little bit taller than myself. 69 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:48,700 I don't know how to describe it any other than it was a humanoid shape, very humanoid, and a male in form, 70 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:54,700 and as far as form and musculature, it seemed like to me. 71 00:04:54,700 --> 00:04:57,700 Glowing white from head to toe. 72 00:04:57,700 --> 00:04:59,700 You glowed very any? 73 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:01,700 The glow didn't vary to me. 74 00:05:01,700 --> 00:05:07,700 It seemed very uniform from head to toe, in fact, but it was very soft and wasn't harsh on the eyes. 75 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:09,700 It was easy to look at. 76 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:17,700 In fact, I think if you've seen the radium coated hands on a clock or watch, it's very much like that, but a white color. 77 00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:19,700 How close were you? 78 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:21,700 Approximately three feet. 79 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:24,700 I still remember that very close, very close. 80 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:30,700 I could have reached out and touched it, but for some reason I didn't. 81 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:32,700 What was it doing? 82 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:39,700 It was merely standing there, and as far as I could tell, staring at it, which I was doing also, staring back at it. 83 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:49,700 The body seemed to be surrounded by a layer of some sort which extended out from the blood, such as what we might term an aura, 84 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:54,700 or a layer of what looked like a gas of some sort. 85 00:05:54,700 --> 00:06:05,700 You could see moving, sort of, in a sense, as apart from the body, but the light coming definitely from the body, shining out through this layer. 86 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:16,700 There was no hair to be no clothes of any sort, and yet no hair that I could tell on the body, no distinctive markings, 87 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:21,700 such as you might see wrinkles on a human being or coloration at any time. 88 00:06:21,700 --> 00:06:27,700 Just this very uniform, soft white glow coming from the body. 89 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:34,700 As I said, there were eyes, very distinct eyes, almond chip, very much like ours, but intense white in there. 90 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:44,700 That was the only difference as far as the coloration in the body were the eyes themselves, which extended down to a very normal looking face, a nose, 91 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:54,700 but no mouth, as far as I could tell, at least lips, which distinguish our mouth from the face, ears, looked very much like ours, 92 00:06:54,700 --> 00:07:02,700 except as far as they seemed to be smoother and not as convoluted in their form. 93 00:07:02,700 --> 00:07:09,700 The body very smooth, very smooth, and no markings on it as I mentioned. 94 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:20,700 Very human shaped arms, hands, legs, nothing different than the tailings, and it didn't frighten me whatsoever. 95 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:27,700 In fact, on a warm summer night, the insects usually chirping were unusually absent. 96 00:07:27,700 --> 00:07:30,700 The usual absence of sound, total, almost. 97 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:34,700 It seemed like wrapped in a blanket of no sound whatsoever. 98 00:07:34,700 --> 00:07:42,700 And I'm sure you've observed the phenomenon of looking at a white light to create a sense of darkness that appears to surround the light one, 99 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:47,700 which is another thing that occurred in the time that I was looking at. 100 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:51,700 The amount of time that took place or that's been, I have really no idea. 101 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:56,700 It was very short, although it seemed long to me at the time. 102 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:58,700 I'm not sure what else to... 103 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:03,700 What happened? You were standing there sharing it in, you were sharing it with you. Was it moving? 104 00:08:03,700 --> 00:08:07,700 It seemed to raise its arm, the one arm. 105 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:18,700 In fact, I guess I think it would be the right one, but made no real normal gesture like I would have taken into it to mean something, 106 00:08:18,700 --> 00:08:25,700 but on the other hand, nothing that scared me, no quick jerking movement sort. 107 00:08:25,700 --> 00:08:28,700 Or anything like that, of that nature. 108 00:08:28,700 --> 00:08:35,700 It made no steps towards me, nor did it make a sound of any sort that I could tell. 109 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:42,700 I felt very calm and felt no fear whatsoever of it. 110 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:47,700 And then suddenly, just as easily as it had come, it disappeared. 111 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:52,700 And disappeared totally, I mean, spontaneously. 112 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:59,700 Nothing left, no fade out or gradual disappearance or something along that nature, but very sudden. 113 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:02,700 Any movement connected with the discipline? 114 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:04,700 No, nothing I could tell. 115 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:08,700 And sort of remained, I guess, from staring at the light. 116 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:15,700 There was a shape, an after image from looking at the light. 117 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:18,700 Let's go back to the description of it. 118 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:21,700 You had a waist? 119 00:09:21,700 --> 00:09:31,700 Yes, very much so. It had a definite B form, a very, I guess, look like a young slim boy here on Earth, 120 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:38,700 well built and a very V shaped chest coming down to a waist and going down. 121 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:40,700 How about feet? 122 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:44,700 Feet, I guess I don't really recall. 123 00:09:44,700 --> 00:09:49,700 I know that it did have feet, but I don't remember seeing if there was a definite distinction of toes or not. 124 00:09:49,700 --> 00:10:00,700 I know that on its hands, there were definite fingers and five, just like ours, which I noticed was very assuring, I guess, to me at the time, that it did have biofingers. 125 00:10:00,700 --> 00:10:14,700 But not that I could tell nails or hair on the arms or anything like that, which are very, very smooth and the same uniform whiteness glow. 126 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:16,700 What was your friend doing? 127 00:10:16,700 --> 00:10:20,700 My friend remained, stayed right behind me. 128 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:25,700 And in fact, on the moment of the disappearance, I turned around and my first words were, 129 00:10:25,700 --> 00:10:32,700 Dave, did you see that? And he was merely nodding and assuring me that yes, he did, he had seen the same thing. 130 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:34,700 About how far away was he? 131 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:40,700 Dave was, I guess, somewhere between 15 and 25 maybe feet behind me. 132 00:10:40,700 --> 00:10:45,700 And nodded in that line, he was on at the end of the episode. 133 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:49,700 He was standing at a perfect view of everything he had gone. 134 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:59,700 When it disappeared, was there anything different about the area at that time, any indication that something had been going on? 135 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:02,700 Nothing that I could really tell you. 136 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:04,700 Was it a wildest? 137 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:18,700 Yes, it did. It seems to still be quiet. I don't know if that was something that remained or if something that was in me that I was so concentrating on what had just happened that I didn't notice sound or not, but I don't remember any sounds. 138 00:11:18,700 --> 00:11:21,700 I don't know how you do that after a proper year. 139 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:28,700 Right, at that point I had gone down the hill and we proceeded to my front door, willing inside. 140 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:30,700 Did you talk about it on the way? 141 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:39,700 No, not really. It was just sort of, I said we ought to go tell my parents. And it was very close and so it was almost no time for any real conversation. 142 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:45,700 We got to the front door and I merely knocked on it because I wanted my parents to come to the door. I wanted them to come outside. 143 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:52,700 So my mother and father, I think my mother appeared at the door first and my parents, dad, came to the door and told them. 144 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:56,700 At which point my father, you recall what you told him? 145 00:11:56,700 --> 00:12:05,700 I told him that we had seen a creature and I think I described it at the time as a creature and that it was glowing. 146 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:11,700 I don't think I got into very much detail. I wanted him to come outside and come with me just to know what had happened. 147 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:16,700 And I think at a later time I told him in more detail just exactly what I had seen. 148 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:27,700 And at the time I think I suggested that we call the base police, the school, AP, the hair police, or whatever the game was. 149 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:32,700 But that never went through. My dad just said, no, I don't think we need to. 150 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:40,700 How did he respond to this? I assume that, no, let's go back. 151 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:45,700 He came out, did you then go back to where this would happen? 152 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:50,700 Well, we went back to where it happened but it was very dark and in fact we visited the next morning. 153 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:55,700 My dad went out again and I got up the next morning. I think I was excited the entire night he got up the next morning. 154 00:12:55,700 --> 00:13:00,700 He was telling me things were repetitive or the breakfast came to an excuse. 155 00:13:01,700 --> 00:13:05,700 Yes, he did come out with me that night. We went to the spot but there was nothing very distinct. 156 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:12,700 The morning was easier to see where I had stood on the trail because my tennis shoes had left markings in the dirt. 157 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:19,700 But across from the three-feet away where I remember the game standing, there was nothing at all. 158 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:21,700 Excellent. 159 00:13:21,700 --> 00:13:28,700 So what was your father's reaction to this story with no evidence to support it? 160 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:31,700 He seemed to remain very calm and listened to me. 161 00:13:31,700 --> 00:13:36,700 The time my father and I had sort of always had a very serious relationship with each other. 162 00:13:36,700 --> 00:13:41,700 Sort of think through understood that one of us said something to the other one of us was being truthful. 163 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:46,700 And I'm sure they could believe how much stock he took in. 164 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:49,700 That's another story I had. 165 00:13:49,700 --> 00:13:54,700 I think that they could believe that I was telling what I had seen and what they could believe. 166 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:58,700 Did either your father or mother suggest doing anything about it? 167 00:13:58,700 --> 00:14:00,700 No, they didn't want to do it. 168 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:12,700 And I guess not being that aware of UFOs at the time that I saw them or UFO related phenomenon, I thought that I was doing nothing myself. 169 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:16,700 You could tell anyone earlier than your parents at that time. 170 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:24,700 I suppose that within the next few days, friends of mine in the neighborhood I related the story to. 171 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:33,700 And it was sort of exciting I guess it was that prestige one becomes from having something unusual happen to me. 172 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:37,700 And I did my excitement tell my close friend. 173 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:42,700 But not very many people. In fact it was probably four or five or no more than that. 174 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:44,700 How did your friends react? 175 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:52,700 My friends on the whole I think sort of you know was that laugh at first like oh you're kidding me. 176 00:14:52,700 --> 00:14:59,700 The way I was telling them I suppose that they must have realized that I had seen something no matter what I was describing at the moment. 177 00:14:59,700 --> 00:15:03,700 And so they tended to believe me on the phone that I had really seen something. 178 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:12,700 And having Dave also, who was personally two years older than myself telling me the same thing was a little bit more credible to most of the people. 179 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:16,700 Was there any significant difference between your story and those? 180 00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:18,700 In fact no. 181 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:26,700 Even that night when we told my father Dave agreed with everything I said and made no change to what's going on. 182 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:28,700 I still... 183 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:35,700 Did anybody have anything positive to contribute to this? 184 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:43,700 Had anyone seen anything unusual or heard of anything unusual that might possibly fit in with this? 185 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:46,700 No, I don't know. Not that I remember. 186 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:51,700 Maybe you mentioned seeing anything similar or anything unusual. 187 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:53,700 Your father was in the airport? 188 00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:55,700 That's correct. 189 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:57,700 Can you tell me what he did? 190 00:15:57,700 --> 00:15:59,700 What kind of job he had? 191 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:09,700 At the time he was a flight engineer and his duties there at Ops Air Force Base they were flying EC-121s which are coastal radar planes. 192 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:14,700 And before that he had been a strategic air combat viscose. 193 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:18,700 A different branch of what you were talking about. 194 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:25,700 Maybe his career at Ops Air Force for 23 years was flying in China, in the presidential planes here in Antioch. 195 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:31,700 Do you have any reason to think that you might have told anyone? 196 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:33,700 Air Force approach? 197 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:38,700 No, in fact I'm pretty positive that I'm sure they never really restored anything. 198 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:47,700 Although as I grew up I tend to relate things to good friends when topics of that nature would come up. 199 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:52,700 I got older I became more aware of what was going on as far as UFO phenomena. 200 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:59,700 And I think merely because of this incident I became more interested in little tidbits that I heard and could get to know about. 201 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:04,700 To what extent were you aware of UFOs prior to this event? 202 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:07,700 Not at all. Absolutely not at all. 203 00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:12,700 Because of the event itself I did not sight a UFO at any time. 204 00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:18,700 It never even crossed my mind that this could possibly be in any way related to UFOs. 205 00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:21,700 Didn't equate the two at all. 206 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:25,700 When did you first see some apparent relationship? 207 00:17:25,700 --> 00:17:37,700 I think the first time that I realized there might be some sort of relationship at all was the incident with the black and white couple. 208 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:44,700 The interon to drive right when that came out of the camera. 209 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:54,700 I guess well covered by the media and I read their story and realized that there might be some connection. 210 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:57,700 Just because the creature that I could see was not. 211 00:17:57,700 --> 00:18:01,700 I don't think very similar to the creatures that they described. 212 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:09,700 But that it was so unusual that it had to be somehow otherworldly I guess was the thought that came to me. 213 00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:15,700 Do you recall any talk about UFOs around Otis and those things? 214 00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:18,700 No. No. None at all. 215 00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:26,700 I think that the time I was probably too interested in my next grade on the next example and things of that nature. 216 00:18:26,700 --> 00:18:31,700 What kind of extracurricular activity did you involve in the era? 217 00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:34,700 Pretty much soccer was becoming popular. 218 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:37,700 I was playing soccer. 219 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:39,700 I was a band student at the time. 220 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:44,700 I involved pretty much with those things that one becomes involved in. 221 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:49,700 Elementary school and junior high and just in your junior high before we left there. 222 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:55,700 I was involved in student government and drama classes. 223 00:18:55,700 --> 00:19:00,700 So what precipitated your finding something about this? 224 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:03,700 Well in fact I had done things prior. 225 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:15,700 When I was going to college there was an ad in the Daily Island which was the campus newspaper for people who had seen UFOs. 226 00:19:15,700 --> 00:19:25,700 At the time my roommate was an extremely avid aviation fanatic and also in UFOs also. 227 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:30,700 I had told him my story and he prompted me to respond to the ad. 228 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:35,700 My story was, well Dave I really didn't see a UFO. 229 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:39,700 But he said yes but your story is interesting so he got me to respond. 230 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:41,700 This was not the same day? 231 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:45,700 No this is not the same day. This is another of my remaining college. 232 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:50,700 And I responded to the ad and turned out to be one of two people who responded to the ad. 233 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:57,700 And told my story and in fact had it printed in the DI which was the common name for the Daily Island. 234 00:19:57,700 --> 00:20:00,700 And that was really really all that I had really done. 235 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:06,700 I was aware of Dr. Finding in Time because his name came up in the article. 236 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:10,700 His work at the Center for UFOs Steps and Superfights. 237 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:18,700 Wedding Rosetta. This would have been in 73, 74 academic year. 238 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:22,700 The University of Iowa and Iowa State. 239 00:20:22,700 --> 00:20:28,700 But didn't respond in that sense, didn't think of writing a letter to Dr. Finding in Time. 240 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:32,700 And it was really only my excitement that it seemed the previous for a close encounter 241 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:39,700 so the good kind that I sat down at the time right at the office one day and typed out my letter and sent it on. 242 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:45,700 I felt like I wanted this to be before the fact that the letter came out before I went to see it. 243 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:47,700 So it wasn't the second thought. 244 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:48,700 Have you since seen it? 245 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:55,700 No I haven't seen it. It's nearly reopened I think 4 or 5 days ago. 246 00:20:55,700 --> 00:21:00,700 A little personal background now. You were at Iowa State. 247 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:01,700 That's correct. 248 00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:04,700 Okay you came out of there with what? 249 00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:09,700 In fact I went to Drake University my first year and transferred to University of Iowa in 73. 250 00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:15,700 And graduated in 76 with a Bachelor of Arts in East Asian Languages and Literature. 251 00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:20,700 Really a concentration in Chinese language and studies. 252 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:22,700 And what are you doing watching now? 253 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:29,700 Right now I'm working as a paralegal for a law firm in New York City. 254 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:35,700 Well you said your interest in UFOs and related matters has increased. 255 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:41,700 Have you run into any other stories that are all similar in your experience? 256 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:48,700 While I was in Iowa there were a series of events but no one who had really seen anything. 257 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:54,700 We had some strange depressions in soybean and cornfields there and a lot of us went to college. 258 00:21:54,700 --> 00:22:03,700 I found it extremely interesting. We had a few cattle mutilations and supposedly some sightings of some bizarre strange tall hairy creatures. 259 00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:07,700 And I found it exciting. In fact we kept them out of the newspaper and keep them. 260 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:15,700 But you never really exchanged a story with anybody who had seen a UFO or a creature. 261 00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:24,700 Have you subsequently read any accounts of creatures that you feel are similar to what you said? 262 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:33,700 I tend to see things that are very similar. I guess in the book The Interrupted Journey and the subsequent movie that was made from that. 263 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:43,700 I found some similarities in the shapes of the beings that they describe as being sort of smooth skinned and no hair. 264 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:51,700 Things like that. But they've been glowing and I guess set the thing that I had seen apart from the others. 265 00:22:51,700 --> 00:23:03,700 There was always a mention of some sort of space suit or some sort of garb of some kind which I couldn't distinguish really unless it was a single piece thing that was undistinguishable from the body. 266 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:11,700 I just couldn't tell. But they tend to seem along the same lines. I guess smooth and their eyes tend to be different. 267 00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:19,700 Other than the glow, was there anything non-human about individuality? 268 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:24,700 I guess the only thing that was the distinction was the sort of absence of a mouth. 269 00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:29,700 Which is the only thing I guess I really noticed as being odd. 270 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:40,700 I do remember recalling in the description by Betty and Barney Hale that their beings had very thin lips that they remembered. 271 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:46,700 I guess it occurred to me as a second thought that perhaps he did have them on but no lips. 272 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:52,700 And so therefore it was in the glow of the light that was indistinguishable from the rest of the things. 273 00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:56,700 But I didn't think too much about that at the time. 274 00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:02,700 The only other strange thing I suppose would be the gassy aura that surrounded the body. 275 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:09,700 I think at a later point a friend of mine even suggested that perhaps the creature wasn't standing on the ground. 276 00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:18,700 Perhaps because of this gassy aura, whatever it was that was necessary to be around the body that he wasn't in contact with the ground. 277 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:20,700 But you didn't see any such thing? 278 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:22,700 No, I don't recall. 279 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:30,700 Okay, looking back a dozen or so years on this, how do you feel about the experience now? 280 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:39,700 I find it very strange at times. Sometimes I wonder if, because I remember it so vividly and I do remember it very vividly, 281 00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:43,700 if my mind is somehow supplemented this story in the meantime. 282 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:50,700 And for a long time I was very interested in the fact that I recall the event that occurred in Pascagou in Mississippi, 283 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:53,700 in which I have an aunt and uncle who don't live very far from me. 284 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:58,700 Two gentlemen decided a UFO and that they had been put under hypnosis. 285 00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:04,700 And I was very interested in the fact that perhaps under hypnosis I might recall something entirely different to her. 286 00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:08,700 I might recall it in fact in greater detail than I did now. 287 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:12,700 I don't, you know, other than that, I've written a couple of books. 288 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:18,700 Although I noticed things in the newspaper that you tried to have read a few books. 289 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:23,700 They're titles I really couldn't recall to you, but I think Frenchman Falei and his assistant, 290 00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:27,700 I've written some things like that since this event. 291 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:29,700 Well, you think of anything? 292 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:33,700 And Carl Sagan, since I've read many things. 293 00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:35,700 But other than that, no. 294 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:39,700 Okay, well, we'll cut it off at this point.